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Thursday, August 3

Hear us roar?!?

Challies blog had this article in the A La Carte section today.

We dare you to know...It makes me sad... Actually, angry is a more accurate description. Being a guy, I've never had any cause to pick up Ms. magazine. Now I do have the desire to use current and past issues as kindling.

According to their website (which I will not link to again), Ms. is "an award winning magazine recognized nationally and internationally as the media expert on issues relating to women’s status, women's rights, and women's points of view."

Just to be clear - It strikes me as tremendously crass to herald the fact that you've had an abortion as some sort of badge of honor (no matter what you think about the 'fetus vs. baby' issue). What a naked attempt to rationalize the guilt and stigma that post-abortive women feel. "Don't feel conflicted - you're giving into the perceptions and prejudices of a masculine dominated culture... If we all tell ourselves it's great, it will be great! Right?"

I wonder how many of these same people have confronted the facts on the other side of the aisle honestly? Perhaps they should make some of these sites required viewing before you can put your signature on the petition...

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5 Comments:

  • Thanks for putting up the link to abort73.com. I couldn't get past the second video without dabbing my eyes and grieving for these precious lives lost, and the mothers-to-be who will unwittingly cause themselves and their unborn such great harm - all for somebody else's political and immoral agenda.

    The savagery to women and their babies, perpetrated by the so-called "women's movement" is a sickening fact that the mainstream media is actively hiding.

    By Blogger LetUsRun, at 4:11 PM, August 03, 2006  

  • "It strikes me as tremendously crass to herald the fact that you've had an abortion as some sort of badge of honor."

    I didn't interpret it as that. I think the point of the signatures was to say that they were glad to have the choice, not that they were boasting.

    "What a naked attempt to rationalize the guilt and stigma that post-abortive women feel."

    I assume that by making that statement, you feel so superior to women that you think you can speak for all of them. I am not denying that some women may feel sad after an abortion...but how dare you assume you know how they all feel. I know two women who have had an abortion (both of them were raped, one by her step-father), and while they both suffered trauma from the actual rape, they both did what was best for them by having an abortion. While neither of them would have an abortion in a circumstance other than being raped, neither of them regret what they did.

    You talk about your god's love for everyone, yet while you may deny it, you pass judgement on people that differ from you. If you honestly feel that people are doing wrong in the eyes of your god, then what they need from you is tolerance, support, and love, not you condemning them for doing what you think is wrong.

    By Anonymous PB, at 10:47 PM, August 03, 2006  

  • I didn't interpret it as that. I think the point of the signatures was to say that they were glad to have the choice, not that they were boasting... I assume that by making that statement, you feel so superior to women that you think you can speak for all of them.

    First, I don't feel superior to all women... I feel sorry for those women who've been led to believe that the right to an abortion-on-demand is somehow the defining issue for their gender.

    I am not denying that some women may feel sad after an abortion...but how dare you assume you know how they all feel.

    I'm not trying to generalize... The article itself stated that the purpose of the petition was "to save lives and to spare other women the pain of socially imposed guilt". My point is that perhaps the guilt is not only the result of some external, social prejudice... It is at least possible, isn't it, that what they're feeling is their conscience battling within them?

    I know two women who have had an abortion (both of them were raped, one by her step-father), and while they both suffered trauma from the actual rape, they both did what was best for them by having an abortion.

    I don't want to turn this into a 'my anecdote is better/more sympathetic than yours' debate. I'm sorry both of them went through such a horrible experience. However, I still believe they made the wrong choice... By saying that, I'm not trying to play holier than thou. I've made plenty of wrong choices...

    My errors do not justify nor nullify others, however.

    While neither of them would have an abortion in a circumstance other than being raped, neither of them regret what they did.

    Does their lacking regret absolutely make something right? If so, there are a lot of people in prison who'd like to know. I'm not debating that abortion seems to be an expedient remedy to some circumstances. I'm just pointing out that doesn't make it right!

    You talk about your god's love for everyone, yet while you may deny it, you pass judgement on people that differ from you.

    Let me clarify something that I should've made clearer in the post: I am not angry, upset, or setting out to yell/scream at women who had an abortion. My anger, such as is there, is directed at those in the leadership of so-called 'feminism' (as Ms. magazine identifies itself). I believe strongly, as LetUsRun said previously, that the pro-abortion lobby is actually harming women rather than helping them. That is what makes me angry.

    If you honestly feel that people are doing wrong in the eyes of your god, then what they need from you is tolerance, support, and love, not you condemning them for doing what you think is wrong.

    What they really need is the truth... And that's why I'm all wound up about this. Most women are getting only half the story. They're told that being pro-choice is the progressive, intellectual way to feel and that pro-life folks are hateful, backwards, yokels who don't know anything. Meanwhile, more and more studies show up that point out abortion has farther reaching consequences than anyone on the other side will acknowledge.

    The truth is that abortion is wrong, is harmful to women, and is something we need to repent of as a nation before God. Thankfully, God is faithful to forgive and heal when we seek Him. That is the message that I wish women were getting a chance to hear.

    All that said --> Would any of the female readers like to chime in?

    By Blogger HeavyDluxe, at 1:11 AM, August 04, 2006  

  • First, I don't feel superior to all women... I feel sorry for those women who've been led to believe that the right to an abortion-on-demand is somehow the defining issue for their gender.

    Again, you're assuming women feel that way. I don't know a single woman, myself included, that feels that abortion rights define our gender. That's just ridiculous.

    However, I still believe they made the wrong choice... By saying that, I'm not trying to play holier than thou. I've made plenty of wrong choices...

    Um, but you are playing hoiler than thou by saying "wrong choice." That is you passing judgement on someone. You are not the almighty ruler here, so you don't have the right to say whether someone is right or wrong!

    Does their lacking regret absolutely make something right? If so, there are a lot of people in prison who'd like to know.

    Right for them, yes. It's not a fair comparison to make to someone who has broken a law and is in prison for it. You may not like abortion, but it is legal. And please, don't say just because it's legal doesn't make it right. If that's what you're thinking, please refer to my earlier comment that you don't have the power to pass judgment on someone. And if you're going to reply that your god is who said it's wrong, that argument won't hold weight with me either, because let's face it, you cannot prove his existence.

    What they really need is the truth... And that's why I'm all wound up about this. Most women are getting only half the story. They're told that being pro-choice is the progressive, intellectual way to feel and that pro-life folks are hateful, backwards, yokels who don't know anything.

    What truth is it that you think they need, YOUR version of it? Hardly. Your statement about women only "getting half the story" is once again implying that women are not capable of thinking for themself, researching facts on both sides of the debate, and making up their own minds. Your statement implies that we can only think about what people tell us to think. And while I am obviously a liberal woman, and am friends with both liberals and conservatives alike, I don't know a single person who defines conservatives as "hateful, backwards, yokels who don't know anything."

    You make so many assumptions about the "other side" that it's hard to take your arguments seriously. I am always open to talking to people whose thoughts differ from my own, because I enjoy being challenged...but your making assumptions about how you think women think and feel doesn't challenge a damn thing. All that will do is make you define yourself as the "hateful, backwards, yokels who don't know anything."

    By Anonymous PB, at 6:01 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • I'll make this brief, since there's no point in going around and around...

    Um, but you are playing hoiler than thou by saying "wrong choice." That is you passing judgement on someone.

    Respectfully, they aren't the same thing. Having an opinion which conflicts with yours does not mean that I feel superior (or more 'holy') than that person. In fact, it's quite the opposite... I recognize all too well my own faults and sins - that's why I feel for those people who are blind to the truth.

    Right for them, yes. It's not a fair comparison to make to someone who has broken a law and is in prison for it.

    I just can't buy into the "it's right for you" mode of morality... Sorry. My point is not to compare the conduct of a convict and someone who advocates for abortion. What I am saying is that both people undoubtedly have done "what's right for them"... But that personal conviction doesn't make it right.

    What truth is it that you think they need, YOUR version of it? Hardly.

    It's not "my version" of the truth I'm concerned about. Believe me! If Brian Dluxe becomes the definition of morality in the world, it'd be a sad day indeed.

    But, I think the one who created us might have a thing or two to chip in that we should consider...

    By Blogger HeavyDluxe, at 9:30 PM, August 04, 2006  

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